ne kadar ... -se de
However Much
Use ne kadar ... -se de to express that even if an action is performed to a high degree or intensity, the result in the second clause remains unchanged. It translates to 'no matter how much' or 'however much'.
How It Works
The ne kadar ... -se de construction is a universal concessive conditional. It suggests that even at the maximum possible level of an action, the outcome is contrary to expectation.
1. Structure:
The pattern follows this order: ne kadar + [Verb Stem] + -se/-sa + [Personal Suffix] + de/da.
- ne kadar: Usually starts the clause.
- -se/-sa: Follows two-way vowel harmony.
- de/da: Must be written as a separate word and follows vowel harmony. The word bile can replace de/da for increased emphasis (e.g., ne kadar çalışsa bile).
2. Formal Variant:
In formal or written Turkish, the word her is often added to the beginning: Her ne kadar ... -se de. This functions identically but adds a layer of emphasis and formality.
3. Usage with Adjectives:
To say 'no matter how [adjective]', use the auxiliary verb olmak:
Ne kadar zor olsa da... (However difficult it may be...)
4. Colloquial Reduplication:
Native speakers often use a reduplicated verb form to express the same idea without the de/da particle: Ne kadar uğraşsan uğraş... (No matter how much you try...).
5. Nuance:
While -se bile means a general 'even if', this specific pattern focuses on the quantity or intensity of the action. It is common in both formal and informal Turkish.
Examples (4)
- Ne kadar uğraşsa da kapıyı açamadı.
However hard he tried, he couldn't open the door.
Word by Word: How much he-try-if also the-door he-could-not-open.
Here, 'ne kadar' emphasizes the intensity of the effort (trying), but the result (not opening) remains the same.
- Ona ne kadar anlatsam da beni anlamıyor.
No matter how much I explain to him, he doesn't understand me.
Word by Word: To-him how much I-explain-if also me he-not-understands.
The speaker emphasizes that the amount of explaining does not change the outcome of the listener's lack of understanding.
- Ne kadar erken çıksak da trafiğe yakalandık.
No matter how early we left, we got caught in traffic.
Word by Word: How much early we-leave-if also to-traffic we-were-caught.
This shows that the degree of 'earliness' was not enough to avoid the traffic.
- Hava ne kadar soğuk olsa da dışarı çıkacağım.
No matter how cold the weather is, I will go out.
Word by Word: Weather how much cold be-if also outside I-will-go-out.
Using 'olsa da' allows the pattern to work with the adjective 'soğuk' (cold).
Common Mistakes
Omitting the 'de/da' particle.
Ne kadar çalışsan sınavı geçemezsin.Ne kadar çalışsan da sınavı geçemezsin.Without 'de/da', the sentence sounds like an incomplete or confusing condition. The 'de/da' provides the necessary 'even though' force.
Attaching 'de/da' to the verb as a suffix.
Ne kadar uğraşsada olmadı.Ne kadar uğraşsa da olmadı.In this construction, 'de/da' is a conjunction and must always be written as a separate word.
Changing 'de' to 'te' after voiceless consonants.
Ne kadar çalışsak ta başaramadık.Ne kadar çalışsak da başaramadık.Unlike the locative suffix, the conjunction 'de/da' never changes to 'te/ta', even after words ending in voiceless consonants like 'k'.
How It Connects
Learn This First
The pattern 'ne kadar ... -se de' is a concessive structure meaning 'however much' or 'no matter how much'. To understand it, you must first be familiar with the conditional suffix (-se/-sa) and how the particle 'de' functions as a conjunction to mean 'even'. Additionally, knowing the basic meaning of 'ne kadar' (how much) is essential as it sets the scale for the concession.
- -se/-sa (şart)The Conditional -se
The pattern uses the conditional suffix -se/-sa as its core verbal component.
Level 4 - de/da (bağlaç)Also and Too
The particle 'de' is used here to create the concessive meaning ('even if' / 'although').
Level 2 - kaç tane / ne kadarHow Many and How Much
Understanding 'ne kadar' as a question word for quantity/degree is necessary for its use in this relative construction.
Level 2
Related Patterns
- -se bile / -se deEven if
A more general way to say 'even if', whereas 'ne kadar ... -se de' specifically quantifies the degree.
Level 5 - ne kadar ... o kadarThe More ... the More
A correlative pattern meaning 'the more... the more...', focusing on proportional increase rather than concession.
Level 4 - -e rağmenDespite
Means 'despite'; it is used with nouns or nominalized verbs to express a similar concessive meaning.
Level 4