chúng tôi / chúng ta
We (Exclusive and Inclusive)
Vietnamese has two main ways to say 'we'. Chúng tôi means 'me and my group, but not you'. Chúng ta means 'you and me' (and possibly others).
How It Works
In Vietnamese, the concept of 'we' changes based on whether the listener is included, and your social relationship with them.
- Chúng ta (Inclusive 'We'): Refers to the speaker, the listener, and potentially others. Think of it as 'you and me' or 'all of us here.'
- Chúng tôi (Exclusive 'We'): Refers to the speaker and at least one other person, but explicitly excludes the listener ('me and them, but not you'). It is neutral and often used in formal settings or when speaking on behalf of a company.
- Chúng mình: A very common, friendly 'we' used among peers and friends. It can be inclusive or exclusive depending on the context.
- Chúng tớ: The strictly exclusive counterpart to chúng mình, used among friends to mean 'me and them, but not you.'
- Chúng tao / Bọn tao / Tụi tao: The familiar or rough exclusive 'we'. It is used among very close friends (pairing with mày for 'you') or when angry. You will hear this constantly in real life and media.
- Mình: In casual spoken Vietnamese, the standalone word mình is one of the most common ways to say the inclusive 'we' (e.g., Mình đi thôi - Let's go). Note that among peers, mình is also very frequently used to mean 'I' (singular), and between spouses or romantic partners, it is used as a term of endearment meaning 'you' or 'darling' (e.g., Mình ơi).
Hierarchy and Respect:
Because chúng tôi is socially flat, using it with elders can sound distant or disrespectful. To maintain politeness, attach chúng to kinship pronouns to form an exclusive 'we'. For example, use chúng con (we, the children) when speaking to parents, chúng cháu (we, the juniors) when speaking to a grandparent, or chúng em when speaking to an older colleague. Note that chúng forms 'we', whereas các forms a plural 'you' (e.g., các em), and forming 'they' usually requires adding ấy (e.g., các em ấy). To form an inclusive 'we' with elders in personal or conversational settings, using chúng ta or chúng mình is inappropriate. Instead, pair the two kinship terms and add mình. For example, hai bà cháu mình (the two of us, grandmother and grandchild). However, in formal or general contexts (like giving a presentation), chúng ta remains the standard, polite inclusive 'we' even if the audience includes elders.
Note on Register:
In casual spoken Vietnamese, native speakers often swap the formal chúng for the casual bọn (Northern) or tụi (Southern), such as bọn mình, bọn tớ, or tụi em.
Examples (4)
- Chúng tôi đi trước nhé.
We are going ahead (without you).
Word by Word: We (exclusive) go ahead [particle].
Uses 'chúng tôi' because the speaker is leaving the listener behind.
- Chúng ta cùng ăn tối nhé.
Let's have dinner together.
Word by Word: We (inclusive) together eat evening [particle].
Uses 'chúng ta' because the speaker is inviting the listener to join them.
- Xin lỗi, chúng tôi không thể giúp bạn.
Sorry, we cannot help you.
Word by Word: Beg fault, we (exclusive) not able help you.
A classic customer service scenario. The company (we) cannot help the customer (you), so the exclusive 'we' is required.
- Ngày mai chúng ta sẽ đi Hà Nội.
Tomorrow we will go to Hanoi.
Word by Word: Day tomorrow we (inclusive) will go Hanoi.
The speaker and the listener are both going to Hanoi together.
Common Mistakes
Using the inclusive 'chúng ta' when speaking on behalf of a group to an outsider (The Customer Service Error).
Xin lỗi, chúng ta không thể giúp bạn.Xin lỗi, chúng tôi không thể giúp bạn.When a company or group speaks to a customer, they must use the exclusive 'chúng tôi' (we, but not you). Using 'chúng ta' includes the customer, making it sound like 'You and I cannot help you', which is nonsensical.
Using the socially flat 'chúng tôi' when speaking to someone older, instead of a hierarchical pronoun.
Chào bác, chúng tôi mới đến ạ.Chào bác, chúng cháu mới đến ạ.While 'chúng tôi' means 'we (exclusive)', it is socially neutral. When speaking to an elder, using 'chúng tôi' sounds too distant or slightly disrespectful. You should use 'chúng' + the appropriate kinship term, like 'chúng cháu' or 'chúng em', to show respect and maintain the social hierarchy.
How It Connects
Learn This First
To understand the distinction between inclusive and exclusive 'we', a learner first needs to understand how basic singular pronouns work in Vietnamese and the general lack of inflectional pluralization in the language.
- anh / chị / emYou and I by Age
These basic personal pronouns establish the foundation of person-reference in Vietnamese, which is necessary before learning pluralized forms like 'chúng tôi'.
Level 1 - Nouns Have No Plural
Since Vietnamese nouns do not change form for plurality, learners need to understand that specific plural markers or distinct words (like 'chúng') are used to indicate groups.
Foundations
Related Patterns
- tôiI (Neutral)
The singular root pronoun 'I' that combines with 'chúng' to form the neutral exclusive 'we'.
Level 1 - cácPlural Marker (All of a Known Set)
While 'chúng' + kinship term creates an exclusive 'we', 'các' + kinship term creates a plural 'you' or 'they' (e.g., các anh).
Level 1 - Pronouns Come From Kinship
These terms can be combined with 'chúng' to create a polite, hierarchical 'we' (like chúng em).
Foundations - Choosing The Pair Of Pronouns
Understanding social boundaries is key to choosing the right pronouns in Vietnamese.
Level 5
Learn Next
Patterns that build on this one.